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12-Bit RAW!!!! 5" screen means no need external monitor. Recording to external SSD through USB-C. Battery life is about 60 minutes, I think it's doable just replace battery on every dive, battery is Canon LP-E6, very cheap. I hope Nauticam will make a housing for it soon. The price of the camera is so reasonable especially you get a full version of Davinci Resolve.

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Looks good!

 

But I don't think its not going to happen, unless there is support for some sort of LANC controller to control the camera.

 

The camera is heavily controlled by the touch screen, with the videos I've seen, most of the adjusters being in different places depending on what you want to adjust. Making the use of hard to soft buttons (like on the atomos housings) would make a mess of the screen, as you would have to cover the number of options.

 

Have a look here, to see what I mean about the different screens (click the different 'Monitor' 'FPS' 'Shutter Angle' etc.. on the webpage to see the different screens)

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera/software

 

Would be amazing thou, as it shares the GH5s sensor, but seems to extract more performance from it.

 

Exciting times, especially with ProResRAW on the horizon too!

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Not sure if those onscreen item can be navigated using some sort of cursor button. Time will tell, there is already quite a few underwater touchscreen solution out there. If there is a wifi remote control ability, there might be some possibility of tethering solution?

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The camera is very competitive in many aspect, just concern that CDNG files are very heavy to manage.

Also Panasonic will have sell the GH5S sensor to BMD knowing they‘ll release a camera that directly compete with the latest camera?

It’s sounds strange.

Or Pana may have a plan to release a firmware update that allow Atomos to record PRORES RAW through the HDMI.

 

 

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Looks good!

 

But I don't think its not going to happen, unless there is support for some sort of LANC controller to control the camera.

 

The camera is heavily controlled by the touch screen, with the videos I've seen, most of the adjusters being in different places depending on what you want to adjust. Making the use of hard to soft buttons (like on the atomos housings) would make a mess of the screen, as you would have to cover the number of options.

 

Have a look here, to see what I mean about the different screens (click the different 'Monitor' 'FPS' 'Shutter Angle' etc.. on the webpage to see the different screens)

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera/software

 

Would be amazing thou, as it shares the GH5s sensor, but seems to extract more performance from it.

 

Exciting times, especially with ProResRAW on the horizon too!

Not sure if those onscreen item can be navigated using some sort of cursor button. Time will tell, there is already quite a few underwater touchscreen solution out there. If there is a wifi remote control ability, there might be some possibility of tethering solution?

This is really a promising camera. IMHO and my little experience with earlier blackmagic cinema cameras, their color science is very good. And raw changes everything since it tolerates heavy color correction in post in addition to the ability to adjust white balance. If a housing is made for it, I’ll buy it in a heart beat :)

 

Most of the needed functions have buttons:

Controls

Touchscreen menus on 5 inch screen. 1 x Power Switch, 1 x Record Button, 1 x Stills Button, 1 x Scroll Wheel with push integrated into handgrip, 1 x ISO Button, 1 x White Balance, 1 x Shutter Button, 3 x software configurable Fn buttons, 1 x High Frame Rate (HFR) Button, 1 x Zoom Button, 1 x Menu Button, 1 x Play Button, 1 x Focus Button and 1 x IRIS Button.

 

Check the diagrams on the page:

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera/techspecs/W-CIN-12

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The camera is very competitive in many aspect, just concern that CDNG files are very heavy to manage.

Also Panasonic will have sell the GH5S sensor to BMD knowing they‘ll release a camera that directly compete with the latest camera?

It’s sounds strange.

Or Pana may have a plan to release a firmware update that allow Atomos to record PRORES RAW through the HDMI.

 

 

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Its a Sony Sensor in both, the IMX294CJK

 

https://www.sony-semicon.co.jp/products_en/new_pro/may_2017/imx294cjk_e.html

 

Its been on the market since July 2017 too, so probably isn't under any exclusivity deal with Panasonic, so its a free for all to incorporate the sensor. Its also used in the newly announced Z-Cam E2 (which is sacrificing bit depth to gain the 4k@120.)

 

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I saw the buttons on the top and jog dial on the front, maybe there is enough to start / stop and change minimum settings without interfacing with the screen? Await Sept :)

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Yes look like a lot of the essential functions have physical buttons. Having Function button would help too. The great thing is it supports speedbooster as well, so you have more option for faster and wider lens. It can be charge through the USB-C, not sure if it can power the camera while it's in use.

 

There is however a concern, that's the fan and the heat:

 

The amazing thing is, this camera basically is the price of the GH4 when it first came out, and this camera offer a hell lot more features than GH4. Time will tell. The funny thing is the "Z Cam E2" basically become way inferior right out of the gate.

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This does seem very promising if Nauticam makes a housing for it. Would be a great compliment to the GH5/GH5s line for video. Wish they had implemented Prores RAW if it really is that much more computationally efficient than cDNG/compressed cDNG (which only Davinci Resolve really supports).

 

That said, one annoying aspect is the form factor and consequently the form factor of the housing. It's nice to have a large monitor built in, but it's limited in the same way that the camera monitor in current DSLRs is -- no easy way to see it from above or adjust the position. Similarly, a longer-style housing like C200 or Red housings would be nice from a trim perspective.

 

But there's no denying this brings a lot of bang for the buck. Makes an upgrade to a C200 or EVA-1 + Atomos Ninja V a lot less appealing in some ways.

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What's the battery life on a GH4/GH5 (in comparison to the ~60 mins quoted in that video for the new Blackmagic camera)?

 

Recording 4K.

 

GH5 - 2hrs - 2:30hrs

GH4 - 2:30hrs - 3hrs

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Whoa!!

 

Its gonna be a big housing! (But obviously you potentially don't need an external monitor...)

 

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If there is an housing to be built... they need to add a way to add a power brick to it.. ala the nauticam 6500(?) housing

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It really is a bit of an odd form factor, isn't it?

 

I can't see this as being all that useful hand-held since the monitor doesn't swivel out or even tilt -- and without an evf, can't really use it like a DSLR. Given how wide it is, it's not going to work great on any of the one-handed gimbals. Seems like this is meant to live on a tripod..

 

Whoa!!

 

Its gonna be a big housing! (But obviously you potentially don't need an external monitor...)

 

SIZE1.jpg

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The form factor looks really weird. Also that large screen will not help so much underwater as it will sit low in any housing and particulary for macro you‘d still have to stick your head in the sand to use it. If at least it would be tiltable, housing mfg could consider a housing with the screen being tilted upwards 20 degrees or so, which would already help.

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The form factor looks really weird. Also that large screen will not help so much underwater as it will sit low in any housing and particulary for macro you‘d still have to stick your head in the sand to use it. If at least it would be tiltable, housing mfg could consider a housing with the screen being tilted upwards 20 degrees or so, which would already help.

You took the words out of my mouth bubffm. Totally agree

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Well, what do you know? The screen on the Black Magic is already tilted to begin with! I think Black Magic really put a lot of thought into this camera:

 

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And look at that screen size! I don't think you really have to be at eye level to look at that screen because of the size, and if you have focus peaking on, you can just look down and see what's in focus easily:

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Apart from the short battery life the only other downside I can foresee is overheating. I see that it uses a fan to cool down the processor - I wonder how that will work inside a housing?

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I believe RED cameras has fan running to cool as well. Yet Nauticam can make housing for them. We shall see.

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Apart shooting raw the GH5/GH5S might be a better option.

Does the BMCC 4K will have standard color profiles in it, like the rec709?

Most people’s don’t like and/or don’t know how to grade raw/log file, so this camera might be not for everyone.

 

 

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Was BMPCC a good camera underwater? I bought one and sold it in less than a month, I found it very difficult to use.

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I believe RED cameras has fan running to cool as well. Yet Nauticam can make housing for them. We shall see.

I dont think heat will be biggest isuue. If you use an Alu-housing you effectively get watercooling underwater.

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All Red 4 to 8k cameras are fan cooled as a necessity due the heat that is generated by the processors when shooting 4k, but that has not stopped the pros from using them underwater. Plus, aluminum housing work as a bit of a heat sink in dissipating the heat generated by the camera.

 

Seeing the Black Magic camera being fan cooled as well should be a good thing for a camera like this to handle longer run times and consecutive shooting than non fan cooled 4k cameras. The one downside, considering that it is hard to have a camera fan cooled and weather sealed at the same time, with a fan cooled system just a few drops in the right place could spell serious trouble.

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Just more thought on this subject:

  • With one single LP-E6 battery, the operation will likely to be short as you have to power the screen and the camera while recording. I guess max 30~40mins. So you will need add a second or a more powerful battery.
  • Then if you want to record CDNG raw uncompressed (to take full advantage of the camera), file size is about 500GB/25mins, so for a dive you’ll need a least a 512GB CF card that cost $1,000US minimum or use an external USB-C SSD.

This assuming Nauticam will offer the possibility to put a larger battery capacity and an USB-C SSD aside from the BMCC 4K camera. The housing is not going to be as cheap as the camera.

 

About recording format, if BM integrate the ProRes Raw format, recording time will be about 0.8GB/minute or so, so still need large capacity memory support, forget the SD cards.

Also be prepare to buy additional storage for your editing and backup. I can image that for a few days dives trip you will need quite some Tera Bytes of storage capacity.

 

So at this moment a GH5/S, with the future Atomos Ninja V recorder eventually (for ProRes format), still seems to be the best option.

 

Too bad because at this price point the BMCC 4K camera is a no brainer.

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At first, like everyone (I think) I saw the specs, the price and thought..whoa! Makes my recent GH5s purchase very expensive (but I still got it for a super low price, so can't complain...)

 

But here and on other forums I visit, people are starting to see the drawbacks of the battery, recording formats and the additional accessories you need to get it up and running.

 

Underwater, we have the issues of:
1. Battery life (only real option is USB based pack inside housing, like the A7 but means bigger housing)
2. Screen position
3. Control access
4. Heat (so might need fans, then an increase in housing size to cope with additional hardware and NPF battery)

 

As to whether or not it will get ProResRAW, that will be complicated issue, as its a licensing issue, only DJI and Atomos (I believe) have acquired ProResRAW licensing for their devices at the moment. So if they managed to get it on there, it will probably be a V-LOG-L type activation, or back to base upgrade as the licensing is per device.

 

Looking into the future, I can say that my 'next' camera (whenever that will be) will have to have ProResRAW, to make me wanna upgrade, it looks an amazing advancement in the < $5000 category.

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